[Newbiezone] Support of small clans with reference to outposts

[Spiro]

Dear fellows, friends and enemies,

today we would like start an open discussion about the current OP arrangement in order to make this game more interesting to all of us. As you might know we've talked to several people who might be interested in fighting and holding OPs - Additionally we've talked to the leadership of all leading clans in NC and DoY. In general all agreed to the fact, that it is necessary, that we need to change something.

We already made our mind up how to rearrange all of the 36 outposts - We didn't came to a final conclusion yet: How to arrange outposts is a matter of all of us, that's something that needs to be discussed right here.
That's why you've received a PM in the official forums, in which you've been invited to post your opinion here. All in all everybody is allowed to post her or his opinion, but in fact we would like to know what the major clans are saying.

First we need to sort out which clans belong to "big" and which ones belong to "small" clans. Afterwards we have to agree about sectors for the small ones, so that they'll be safe from being attacked by big clans. Weather it is a big zone or only bunches of sectors we have to discuss, too. Finally we have to agree about consequences if clans/people don't care about what we've decided.

Rules:
#1: Small clans are allowed to zerg, raid, help whatever, but they don't have to fear being attacked by big clans in "their" zone.
#2: ...

[Spiro]

I already received an answer from SoldierZ - obviously they don't want to take part.

TechNine Wrote:last night soldierz was attacked by multiple clans

these clans will have their OP's attacked and hacked as punishment

---- want small clans to hold OP's??
tell them don't fuck with us

[pabz]

I like the idea of 3 outposts. Gives other clans a chance. Perhaps a list of all clans who favour this agreement should be made.

[Dio Kahn]

Our clan will support this agreement in anyway we can. This is a great idea to promote opportunity for all. Another question i'd have is...Phoenix LTD and Blackmist are officially allied. This gives us about ten runners at times, but we still have weak hack situations. What's to stop us from attacking a large Pro-clan? We want to fight and be fair. Rule #2 Do not take the forth layer in a zerg situation inside the owning clans "core" area. I do not expect totally even numbers and would like to be able to attack any clan and have a fair fight in retaliation. I hope the rules will be kept as flexible as possible. Although there is no excuse for 15 guys to attack a small clans op when they dont need it. Basically, if you attack an OP that is not considered "core",  do not zerg it. As far as what we call "core" OP's, this should fought for. Lab+Factory.

[Faid]

I think this is a good idea. I was there today on an anti city char for the retaliation of the Clan Soldierz ninja/ zerg against Blackmist.

I think a clan should only have about 3-4 ops as their core ops and that when fights occur the ops should return to the posession of the original holder afterwards. This promotes healthy fighting and an overall sense of comradery within the community.

I think we should all decide on what ops we want as our "core" ops and we should all respect those ops as belonging to another clan. Lets face it, we are all in the position to ninja or zerg and the only way a healthy op fighting situation is going to occur is if we all agree to play by certain rules. We should all start out the day holding our core ops, and if fights occur for these ops then they we will fight and have a good time. If the op is taken the original owner or the "core" owner will take back possesion of the op later thus retaining control of their "core" ops.

I don't really see any other way that this can work. Soldierz are going to make things difficult but we as a community can deal with them, as was eveident today.

This is going to rely on a great deal of cooperation from all clans that play on terra and I hope that it will all work out.

[Lifewaster]

I think the zerging against soldierz should stop actually.....last night was fair enough to retake the blackmist ops(and the previous night) but I really didnt like the way everyone zerged soldierz at CRP afterwards..

This type of play just isolates ppl even more and is bad for morale and server population....

Soldierz need to be given more of a chance to play by the rules , and encouragement to do so.....ie: by not zerging them at non-newbie OPs

We can say "If you attack newbie ops we zerg you" but at other ops we should try to make good fights.....so when soldierz lost/stopped attack blackmist and took Regant/CRP instead , then they should not have been zerged there..........but they were anyway (and my clan was called to take the op...which we did, but I did not like it)

The point I'm saying is if you give some time for soldierz to see that they will be zerged in the newbie zone, but NOT zerged elsewhere.....then they will probably come to accept the arrangement by default (by simply not bothering to attack newbie zone)

Also remember, this is supposed to work fair for PRO as well as ANTI .......so if Afterdark were to suddenly turn up to help soldierz fight, then they must also be allowed this, without being zerged out of their newbie ops (they own Rockshore now)

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Soldierz leadership views multi-clan as zerg .....so they have to learn that 5 R2k + 5 Phoenix/Blackmist vs 10 Soldierz is not zerg , I hope they will.....but until they do we must try to lead by example to them

[Mobile Haxor]

The Big Yellow Ball approves of this idea. Small clans should very much have the opportunity to have as much fun as the big clans.

ByB, for now, would be a small clan (still of veteran pvpers), but we do not plan to hold ops at this time. In the future, however, for roleplay reasons, ByB might go after an uplink or two (no other type of ops, though).

The most of us would be more than happy to help in most op situations, especially against DRE and BD (keeping with our RP style). If you haven't read the ByB's proposition for itself, we are trying to keep the same "alliance" system as the City Mercs meaning TT should be allied. As for Soldierz... personally, I just say 'they helped DRE, they are traitors to the ball' so I have no problem fighting them.

I spoke to pantho and he also supports this agreement. You have the Big Yellow Ball's support.

[Fab]

i totally agree with lifewaster in what he wrote above.

the fight afterdark vs blackmist was a fair fight between 2 small clans which shows that this thing can work out.

the current small clan zone is:

drakkhan
rockshore
chester
sieger
jankins


what do you guys think about that ? are this ops ok for a small clan zone ? or should it be more like serval ops all over the wastes instead of a zone ?

pls post suggestions


another question thats bothering me is:

what are the requirements to count as a big or a small clan ?

[Nelly]

Fab Wrote:another question thats bothering me is:

what are the requirements to count as a big or a small clan ?

The only clans I consider big are R2k and Soldierz, who are huge now.

[pabz]

Nelly Wrote:

Fab Wrote:another question thats bothering me is:  

what are the requirements to count as a big or a small clan ?

The only clans I consider big are R2k and Soldierz, who are huge now.

there are no other big clans tbh